Keith Moor discusses Mr Cruel with Ethan Cardinal

This is a Zoom interview of Keith Moor by Ethan Cardinal from November 2020. Matt Dunlop of Matt Dunlop Media gave me permission to publish this interview.

Topics mentioned in the interview include:
Some detectives don’t think Mr Cruel murdered Karmein Chan, but they had to treat it as Mr Cruel case as so many similarities.
Karmein was a feisty 13 year old, her mum says she would have ripped off his mask.
The offender may have reluctantly killed Karmein Chan. Some detectives think offender might have got such a shock he stopped offending.
Says it’s possible offender flies to Bali, Cambodia or Philippines three times a year and hires someone to dress up as a schoolgirl.
Police hated the title of Mr Cruel.
Sharon Wills and Nicola Lynas were spoken to for hours and hours and both were incredible witnesses.

Both heard aeroplanes probably landing.
Police first of all released FBI profile, that was a big story.
Then they released the stuff about the bathroom, then the flight paths.
In 2016 for the 25th anniversary Moor obtained a lot of information that had never been made public before including the names and identities of the 7 main suspects.
They had a shortlist of 20 people of whom, 7 were more likely than the others.
All of them had the propensity to kidnap girls from their bedrooms.
One of those 7 was the self-confessed main suspect.
Moor spoke to him.
David Sprague believes he’s the prime suspect.
Other detectives put him alongside the other six.
There are no fingerprints, no DNA evidence in this case.
Moor had no qualms with abiding by the stipulations of Victoria Police in relation to the information contained in the Sierra files because he’s got a good rapport with Victoria Police and would never jeopardise an ongoing investigation.
He didn’t get the files officially, he got them from a source, but he then went to a senior serving member of the Victoria Police and still is and he said, “look, I’ve got this stuff, surely it’s time to bring out some new stuff as it’s been 25 years”.
He struck up a deal with him that he would write his long article, but he let him read it and if there was anything in there he thought they should keep out as it might jeopardise the investigation that was fine.
There were a couple of things he left out.
He had originally named the Melbourne Uni lecturer, but he left that out at the request of the Victoria Police as they are concerned with vigilantism.
Not that he has sympathy for somebody who’s already done nasty things to six other girls.
But, he did agree to that, nor did he go into the details of the attacks on the girls.
He reminded the interviewer to remember it’s illegal in Victoria to identify sexual assault victims, and he’s not saying whether Sharon Wills and Nicola Lynas were sexually assaulted, but they’ve never been referred to as such in any respectable media (this is untrue as numerous media organisations including the ABC reported the police as stating that both girls were sexually assaulted).
He never has, they’re referred to as being kidnapped, and abducted and assaulted. Neither of those girls have given their permission to be identified.
John Wills spoke to Keith Moor for support.
He felt he failed in his duty as a protector.
David Sprague was horrified when evidence of a rope used to tie up a rape victim in 1985 was lost.
It had been thrown in a bag and put in a policeman’s locker, and then the policeman moved somewhere else and then someone cleaned his locker out and chucked it out.
A lot of evidence that might have caught Cruel out…if that happened now. Rehash about new rules coming in to preserve evidence. Keith Moor would be surprised if the offender’s not one of the 7 in the Sierra Files or the longer list of the twenty odd suspects. However, he says a lot points toward the uni lecturer.

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To learn more about the Mr Cruel case, look up some of Melbourne Marvels’ other blogposts and podcasts about this case. These blogposts contain more information about these cases than you will find anywhere else on the internet. They are your go to for learning about the case. Click the following links to learn about the other unsolved crimes in this case:

Lower Plenty Attack
The abduction of Sharon Wills
The abduction of Nicola Lynas

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Karmein Chan in the year before her abduction.

Mr Cruel – Potential crime scenes by Christian Bennett

Christian Bennett has written a manuscript analysing the Mr Cruel crimes. This manuscript was originally written in 2014 and has been updated several times. He has provided the manuscript to the Victoria Police. It has not been published previously on the internet. Christian has given us permission to publish sections of it here. Mr Cruel – Potential crime scenes is but one chapter from this manuscript.

We would like to thank Chrstian Bennett for his contributions to the ongoing research that is conducted in an attempt to determine who Karmein Chan’s murderer was. He has put in thousands of hours of research in order that one day, this man might be brought to justice. We look forward to continuing the dialogue with Christian in the future.

Melbourne Marvels 8 April 2021

Mr Cruel – Potential crime scenes

For more information on Mr Cruel attacks please click on the following links.

Lower Plenty Attack
The abduction of Sharon Wills
The abduction of Nicola Lynas

Please also read up on Jay’s website www.whoismrcruel.com for more information about this case.

NB: The use of copyright material in this podcast is for fair dealing for research purposes, for criticism and for reporting news. Melbourne Marvels is a non-profit blog/podcast that is researching the unsolved crimes of ‘Mr Cruel’.

Warning, this episode contains details about the sexual assault of children and the murder of a child. Please use discretion before listening.

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Karmein Chan in the year before her abduction.

Mr Cruel – Potential crime scenes by Clinton Bailey (pseudonym)

Clinton Bailey (pseudonym) has written a manuscript analysing the Mr Cruel crimes. This manuscript was originally written in 2014 and has been updated several times. He has provided the manuscript to the Victoria Police. It has not been published previously on the internet. Clinton has given me permission to publish sections of it here.

Melbourne Marvels 8 April 2021

Mr Cruel – Evidence from photographs by Christian Bennett

Christian Bennett has written a manuscript analysing the Mr Cruel crimes. This manuscript was originally written in 2014 and has been updated several times. He has provided the manuscript to the Victoria Police. It has not been published previously on the internet. Christian has given us permission to publish sections of it here. Mr Cruel – Evidence from photographs is but one chapter from this manuscript.

We would like to thank Chrstian Bennett for his contributions to the ongoing research that is conducted in an attempt to determine who Karmein Chan’s murderer was. He has put in thousands of hours of research in order that one day, this man might be brought to justice. We look forward to continuing the dialogue with Christian in the future.

Melbourne Marvels 5 April 2021

Mr Cruel – Evidence from photographs

For more information on Mr Cruel attacks please click on the following links.

Lower Plenty Attack
The abduction of Sharon Wills
The abduction of Nicola Lynas

Please also read up on Jay’s website www.whoismrcruel.com for more information about this case.

NB: The use of copyright material in this podcast is for fair dealing for research purposes, for criticism and for reporting news. Melbourne Marvels is a non-profit blog/podcast that is researching the unsolved crimes of ‘Mr Cruel’.

Warning, this episode contains details about the sexual assault of children and the murder of a child. Please use discretion before listening.

If you like to leave a comment to Melbourne Marvels, please fill out the form below.

If you would like to make a contribution to help offsets the costs incurred as part of Melbourne Marvels’ research, please fill out the below form.

Karmein Chan in the year before her abduction.

Mr Cruel – Evidence from photographs by Clinton Bailey (pseudonym)

Clinton Bailey (pseudonym) has written a manuscript analysing the Mr Cruel crimes. This manuscript was originally written in 2014 and has been updated several times. He has provided the manuscript to the Victoria Police. It has not been published previously on the internet. Clinton has given me permission to publish sections of it here.

Melbourne Marvels 5 April 2021

Mr Cruel – Crime Scene Locations by Christian Bennett

Christian Bennett has written a manuscript analysing the Mr Cruel crimes. This manuscript was originally written in 2014 and has been updated several times. He has provided the manuscript to the Victoria Police. It has not been published previously on the internet. Christian has given us permission to publish sections of it here. Mr Cruel – Crime Scene Locations is but one chapter from this manuscript.

We would like to thank Chrstian Bennett for his contributions to the ongoing research that is conducted in an attempt to determine who Karmein Chan’s murderer was. He has put in thousands of hours of research in order that one day, this man might be brought to justice. We look forward to continuing the dialogue with Christian in the future.

Melbourne Marvels 3 April 2021

Mr Cruel – Crime Scene Locations

For more information on Mr Cruel attacks please click on the following links.

Lower Plenty Attack
The abduction of Sharon Wills
The abduction of Nicola Lynas

Please also read up on Jay’s website www.whoismrcruel.com for more information about this case.

NB: The use of copyright material in this podcast is for fair dealing for research purposes, for criticism and for reporting news. Melbourne Marvels is a non-profit blog/podcast that is researching the unsolved crimes of ‘Mr Cruel’.

Warning, this episode contains details about the sexual assault of children and the murder of a child. Please use discretion before listening.

If you like to leave a comment to Melbourne Marvels, please fill out the form below.

If you would like to make a contribution to help offsets the costs incurred as part of Melbourne Marvels’ research, please fill out the below form.

Karmein Chan in the year before her abduction.

Mr Cruel – Crime Scene Locations by Clinton Bailey (pseudonym)

Clinton Bailey (pseudonym) has written a manuscript analysing the Mr Cruel crimes. This manuscript was originally written in 2014 and has been updated several times. He has provided the manuscript to the Victoria Police. It has not been published previously on the internet. Clinton has given me permission to publish sections of it here.

Melbourne Marvels 3 April 2021

Mr Cruel – The offender and electrical connections by Christian Bennett

Christian Bennett has written a manuscript analysing the Mr Cruel crimes. This manuscript was originally written in 2014 and has been updated several times. He has provided the manuscript to the Victoria Police. It has not been published previously on the internet. Christian has given us permission to publish sections of it here. Mr Cruel – The offender and electrical connections is but one chapter from this manuscript.

We would like to thank Chrstian Bennett for his contributions to the ongoing research that is conducted in an attempt to determine who Karmein Chan’s murderer was. He has put in thousands of hours of research in order that one day, this man might be brought to justice. We look forward to continuing the dialogue with Christian in the future.

Many people who have studied the Mr Cruel case cannot help but notice the seeming correlation between significant events and electricity transmission lines, electricity substations or electricity terminal stations. I first came across this theory on the Mr Cruel subreddit on Reddit in 2019. I then researched it a bit more and strongly felt that it was a lead worth investigating.

In Ferbruary of 2021 I was contacted by a researcher who had independently investigated the same theory in 2014. This person wishes to remain anonymous, but I will refer to him in this post as Christian Bennett. Bennett has written a manuscript about Mr Cruel and has passed on a copy to me. Over the coming weeks I intend to publish certain chapters from this manscript, the first of which I am publishing today.

It should be pointed out that Bennett is not an electrician and is by no means an expert in this field. However, he did research the topic extensively over the course of a year for his manscript.

NB: I have had to scan the document and upload as image files because the original formatting of the diagrams contained on the file is not compatiable with this blog.

Mr Cruel – The offender and electrical connections

For more information on Mr Cruel attacks please click on the following links.

Lower Plenty Attack
The abduction of Sharon Wills
The abduction of Nicola Lynas

Please also read up on Jay’s website www.whoismrcruel.com for more information about this case.

NB: The use of copyright material in this podcast is for fair dealing for research purposes, for criticism and for reporting news. Melbourne Marvels is a non-profit blog/podcast that is researching the unsolved crimes of ‘Mr Cruel’.

Warning, this episode contains details about the sexual assault of children and the murder of a child. Please use discretion before listening.

If you like to leave a comment to Melbourne Marvels, please fill out the form below.

If you would like to make a contribution to help offsets the costs incurred as part of Melbourne Marvels’ research, please fill out the below form.

Karmein Chan in the year before her abduction.

Mr Cruel – The offender and electrical connections by Clinton Bailey (pseudonym)

Foreword by Melbourne Marvels

Many people who have studied the Mr Cruel case cannot help but notice the seeming correlation between significant events and electricity transmission lines, electricity substations or electricity terminal stations. I first came across this theory on the Mr Cruel subreddit on Reddit in 2019. I then researched it a bit more and strongly felt that it was a lead worth investigating. In Ferbruary of 2021 I was contacted by a researcher who had independently investigated the same theory in 2014. This person wishes to remain anonymous, but I will refer to him in this post as Clinton Bailey. Bailey has written a manuscript about Mr Cruel and has passed on a copy to me. Over the coming weeks I intend to publish certain chapters from this manscript, the first of which I am publishing today.

It should be pointed out that Bailey is not an electrician and is by no means an expert in this field. However, he did research the topic extensively over the course of a year for his manscript.

NB: I have had to scan the document and upload as image files because the original formatting of the diagrams contained on the file is not compatiable with this blog.

Mr Cruel – Interview with Ron Iddles (November 2020).

Mr Cruel – Interview with Ron Iddles – This is a November 2020 interview with retired homicide detective Ron Iddles. The interview is by Matt Dunlop of Matt Dunlop Media.

Mr Cruel – Interview with Ron Iddles. There is new information revealed about the Mr Cruel case! The big scoops from the interview are the following.

Mr Cruel – Interview with Ron Iddles

  • Iddles revealed that the offender’s lair “in the lounge room had a chunky pine lounge suite”. This is significant as previously no information about the lounge room of Mr Cruel’s lair had been revealed by police or journalists.
  • He stated that, in the bathroom of the lair, “the basin was very close to the toilet”. This contradicts previous information from published accounts of Mr Cruel’s bathroom as they all stated the bathroom did not contain a toilet, but that the toilet was located in a different room next to the bathroom (it is unclear what the reason for this contradiction is).
  • In relation to his Eltham suspect, who he talked about on the Australian True Crime podcast in July 2020, he stated that the person who told him about his Eltham suspect was a “well-known criminal” and “well-known to police” who told Iddles this information when he was dying of cancer in “about 2000 or 2001” (ie not Chopper Read as some had speculated as the latter died in 2013). The year he received this tipoff was not revealed in the ATC interview.
  • He stated that the Eltham suspect died in 1992, (this was not revealed in the ATC interview).
  • He described the Eltham suspect as “someone who from time to time crossdressed”, (this was not revealed in the ATC interview).
  • The photo of the Eltham suspect “was shown to Karmein Chan’s mum and the father, but they couldn’t identify him”, (this was not revealed in the ATC interview).
  • The suspect “ran his own business which he was very successful in”, (this was not revealed in the ATC interview).
  • He mentions other attacks that were atrributed to Mr Cruel in “southern Melbourne, down around Sandringam, Brighton”. He said there were 12 attacks in total and that in these other 8 attacks the perpetrator was “always wearing a black balaclava”. “So, there were probably 12 that you might attribute to him, but definitely the last 4”, (these attacks have been written about previously by journalists such as Keith Moor and John Silvester, but the suburb of Sandringham wasn’t mentioned – of course he doesn’t actually state that an attack occurred in Sandringham).
  • He stated about one of these earlier attacks that “it’s a vacant house that’s up for sale. There was no forced entry so how did he get access? And there were questions about could he be a real estate agent, but the way in which he cleaned up, the MO was nearly identical, so that is why all of those cases were put in…a basket. He might have started in 1985 and you’re looking at about every 6 or 8 months for an attack…they were very, very similar”. (This may refer to the Hampton sexual assault of a 14 year old girl which has been written about previously by Keith Moor and John Silvester. However, the information about the house being a vacant house up for sale is new. It is probably the same attack as what Keith Moor describes in his 13 April 2013 article for the Herald Sun in which he stated: “”One of these suspected attacks was on a 14-year-old girl who was abducted from her Hampton home in Melbourne’s southern suburbs in 1985. She was tied, gagged and blindfolded before being driven to a vacant building site and assaulted. The scared and scarred schoolgirl was dumped at the nearby Moorabbin Bowl on the Nepean Highway at 2:10​am, nearly five hours after being kidnapped.”

Melbourne Marvels receives tip, passes on information to journalist Andrew Rule

NB:- It was pointed out by Reddit user u/pwurg in January 2021 that the suspect described in the Matt Dunlop interview by Ron Iddles was none other than Norman Lee, who was shot dead by Victoria police while conducting a robbery in 1992. Melbourne Marvels then informed Andrew Rule of this fact in January 2021. Rule then wrote an article detailing this information in May 2021.

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For more information on Mr Cruel attacks please click on the following links.

Lower Plenty Attack
The abduction of Sharon Wills
The abduction of Nicola Lynas

Please also read up on Jay’s website www.whoismrcruel.com for more information about this case.

NB: The use of copyright material in this podcast is for fair dealing for research purposes, for criticism and for reporting news. Melbourne Marvels is a non-profit blog/podcast that is researching the unsolved crimes of ‘Mr Cruel’.

Warning, this episode contains details about the sexual assault of children and the murder of a child. Please use discretion before listening.

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Karmein Chan in the year before her abduction.